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So, is there a term...
So, is there a term for stories that are written to respond to other stories (or entire genres of stories)? In SGA, Helenish wrote Take Clothes Off As Directed as a response to Xanthe's General Sheppard BDSM stories. In HL, Lum made the vid "Not a Virgin Anymore" when she got annoyed at all of the Puritan/inexperienced Duncan stories.

What is that called? Reaction fic? Answer fic? Piss-on-you fic?

Would you call it issue fic? I don't think I would...

Help!

ETA: I asked because I want to write an article about this sort of fic for Fanlore.org -- but it would be easier to do if "this sort of fic" had a name.

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klia From: klia Date: October 16th, 2008 11:33 pm (UTC) (permanent link)
How about I-have-issues-with-your-agenda fic/vids?
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elynross From: elynross Date: October 17th, 2008 06:12 pm (UTC) (permanent link)
Yeah, that's my memory, too, both reaction!fic and response!fic.
cathexys From: cathexys Date: October 17th, 2008 01:35 am (UTC) (permanent link)
Would you consider that a subset of fic-of-fic or an entirely different category?

I mean, in a way, it's part of the universe sharing/remixing crowd, isn't it? But it's that with an added agenda...but then again, would that put too much emphasis on INTENT???
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cathexys From: cathexys Date: October 17th, 2008 01:58 am (UTC) (permanent link)
But I'm incredibly uncomfortable making a clear distinction between jumping off another person's story and reacting negatively to it.

Case in point: Friendshipper just wrote a Rodney/Ronon/Jennifer story, and someone else wrote a response that brought McShep somehow somewhere back into the mix. Now, does the response reject the original non-McShep interpretation and aggressively rewrite it or does it expand the original universe? Again, we're stuck with author intent, and I'm a bit like House there...I don't trust anything an author tells me about their motivations, especially when we're describing phenomena and resentiments and responses that happened ages ago...

[Now, your examples addressed canon discussions, which indeed is slightly different and, at that point, are probably part of issue fic. But sherrold's example of Helen's story is indeed described as an (unauthorized) homage and thus very much part of the universe sharing, isn't it?)
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ranalore From: ranalore Date: October 17th, 2008 02:32 am (UTC) (permanent link)
I'd always heard it as responsefic, and I've seen examples of both "I don't like your agenda" responsefic and "I love your agenda" responsefic. It's just I think the "I love your agenda" responsefic gets categorized as trends, much of the time.
From: (Anonymous) Date: October 17th, 2008 02:36 am (UTC) (permanent link)
I thought it was supposed to be an 'homage'
sherrold From: sherrold Date: October 17th, 2008 03:45 am (UTC) (permanent link)
But would you call it 'homage' if their response is to try to show how stupid/bad/wrong your fic is?
carbonel From: carbonel Date: October 17th, 2008 03:44 am (UTC) (permanent link)
Are you talking about something like Jane Carnall's "Two-Up Truly Queered" in response to Jane of Australia's "Two-Up"?
sherrold From: sherrold Date: October 17th, 2008 03:52 am (UTC) (permanent link)
Definitely -- but also less overt responses, like reading one too many Master Manipulator Methos story, and writing a Just a Guy Methos story; reading too many rapturous bond stories, and writing a K/S story where The Bond nearly drove them crazy; Reading one too many sweet OZ stories, and making The Love Boat OZ vid.

seperis From: seperis Date: October 17th, 2008 04:17 am (UTC) (permanent link)
From the negative perspective, since few people really have a problem with their fic being used positively in trends.

I think that would be several different types of story, to be honest. Fandom responds to trends by instinct--we get tired enough of X trend, we go the opposite direction pretty much automatically. Responding to a specific story is different, but that can fall into responding generally (not liking an AMTDI fic because of the subtext of happy rape, so writing an AMTDI that goes the other direction) but still keeping it somewhat, for lack of a better term, generic. Responding directly to a story by hijacking the universe and explaining how the writer was wrong, wrong, wrong--I find that problematic. While fanfic writers do it to the source by definition, I still find the concept of doing so foreign when applied to other fanfic writers.

I guess the third one bothers me because a critique of a fic by fic changes the rules; instead of someone just saying they didn't like it and explaining why, it feels like it's turned into a competition of "I can write your universe better than you can, see how many people agree with me?" The original writer can usually get over a critique, or even a fic in the generic response type, but speaking for myself, it'd be a while before I'd get over someone using my fic to explain how much I suck and why they could do it better explicitly; I'd prefer a flame.

(I seriously personalized what happened to Xanthe--it's like humiliation squick times fifty and just looking at the title makes me twitch. So that pretty much informs my opinion of reaction fic altogether and using a specific person's fic. Esp since it's taken this long for Xanthe to return to that universe to write at all; to take away someone's joy in their creation hurts.)
flambeau From: flambeau Date: October 17th, 2008 07:21 am (UTC) (permanent link)
I don't think I've ever called it anything in my head when I've done it. *g* I was going to say reactionfic now that I did think about it, but responsefic seems to be more popular in this thread; I don't think there is an agreed-on name that's caught on widely.
montanaharper From: montanaharper Date: October 17th, 2008 08:56 am (UTC) (permanent link)
I think there's no one accepted name, which means you're going to have to coin an apt, witty term yourself. No pressure. *g*
frogspace From: frogspace Date: October 17th, 2008 04:20 pm (UTC) (permanent link)
I call it battlefic because it throws down a gauntlet and forces the audience to decide on a winner.
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